Which of the universal laws of logic that I supplied, can you show are "not universal".
And on what basis can you prove that they are universal? You have thrown them out there without giving any authority or evidence that they are universal. All you have given are informal laws of debate. And you don't even follow these in your "logic."
You have not addressed the formal laws of logic, which are mathematics and physics. These are the gold standard of logic and you don't even speak the language and yet you are claiming to have knowledge that even the world's greatest mathematicians and physicists would never claim.
I asked you what the square root of -1 is. There are all kinds of websites that will explain this to you. The lay answer to this problem is that the answer to this equation requires us to change the rules of logic. Math related to this area of imaginary numbers has been used to help design airplane wings.
It seems that you have used a mathemetical example as evidence that universal laws of logic do not work, then stated that by using mathematics, it can be explained and used...
How can you refute this without understanding the mathematics? To solve these problems you have to use 2 different opposing sets of rules of math. This demonstrates that logic is not universal but has to be adapted depending on the circumstances. The result is the determining factor, not the logic.
Logic is incapable of establishing meaning.
Would you like to explain this as by its nature it seems a very illogical statement.
I gave you examples of this twice already and you simply ignore them, so I'm not going to repeat myself.
You are creating a false dilemma. My worldview has nothing to do with the topic. The topic is the claim that Christianity makes the most sense.
Your worldview colours your posts.
And your worldview doesn't color yours?
The fact that my worldview is colored has nothing to do with this specific claim, because it is YOUR claim.
Your then subsequent attack on the Christian worldview has to then be examined.
My rejection of the Christian world view has nothing to do with your claim that Christianity makes the most sense. It is you that has to establish that.
In this instance, we are examining your claims that "universal laws of logic" do not exist.
Which is of course illogical, unless you can prove this statement.
What I have been saying is that human logic is limited. You seem to believe that logic itself has god like powers. (or possibly that your logic has god like powers LOL)
Universal laws of logic would work for every instance and they don't. I have given you numerous examples and either you don't understand the math or you ignore them and repeat your claims.
You are not holding Christianity up to the same standards of truth that you hold other views.
Indeed I am, I am stating that Christianity explains the existance of "universal laws of logic".
Really, how? The God in the bible made it that way?
What's the difference between claiming that the god in the bible made it that way and the flying spaghetti monster made it that way?
You are just denying their existance.
I'm not denying their existence, I'm saying that there is not enough evidence that they exist. And claiming that some god made them is not evidence. It's a claim.
I am comparing your viewpoint and my own.
The point they are being examined on for instance is very simple.
Yours fails, mine passes.
Yours denies absolute laws of logic.
Mine accounts for them.
With this reasoning you deny the laws of reason. LOL
You have done no accounting for them at all. You assume them. You even stated this at the beginning of this discussion.
The only way that I see you accounting for the laws of reason is that god made them. It's the miracle argument.
How then can I accept that your attack on Christianity has any credibility?
When you have to deny universal laws of logic to make it work.
Again, I repeat myself. I don't even have to establish the laws of reason. All I have to do is to use Christianity's own ethical claims to show that the Christian god is immoral by its own standards. Christianity is judged by its own judgments. Even hypocrisy is established by Jesus himself. I need no outside references for that.
I don't have to show that my worldview is superior. I don't even have to reference my own world view.
Now you, on the other hand, have to reference an external system of logic to claim that Christianity makes the most sense. If you reference an internal logic, you are basically talking in a circle. Which, by now, is quite evident to everyone else except yourself.
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